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South St. Louis Columbus statue stirs 'serious conversation about the past,’ Wash U historian says

Washington University historian Peter Kastor joined host Don Marsh for a special Columbus Day segment of St. Louis on the Air to discuss Christopher Columbus's complex legacy.
EVIE HEMPHILL | ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO
Washington University historian Peter Kastor joined host Don Marsh for a special Columbus Day segment of St. Louis on the Air to discuss Christopher Columbus's complex legacy.
Washington University historian Peter Kastor joined host Don Marsh for a special Columbus Day segment of St. Louis on the Air to discuss Christopher Columbus's complex legacy.
Credit EVIE HEMPHILL | ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO
Washington University historian Peter Kastor joined host Don Marsh for a special Columbus Day segment of St. Louis on the Air to discuss Christopher Columbus's complex legacy.

This summer, Tower Grove Park administrators announced the establishment of a commission to address mounting calls to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus currently exhibited in the public park.

On Monday’s St. Louis on the Air host Don Marsh addressed the issue of Columbus’s complex legacy with Peter Kastor, professor and chair of the Department of History at Washington University.

Marsh also heard from Bill Reininger, the executive director of Tower Grove Park, regarding the status of the commission tasked with determining the future of the Columbus statue.

Though the commission has yet to meet, Reininger explained that there are three potential outcomes to the debate about the statue: maintenance, removal or “using interpretive signage to better showcase the history from both points of view.”

The conversation surrounding this particular statue serves to localize a national dialogue around the memorializing of controversial historical figures.

Columbus represents different things for different groups of people, which according to Kastor is what makes discussing his legacy so important.

Native American communities tend to perceive Columbus as a colonist and purveyor of indigenous genocide; Italian-American communities, conversely, view the Genoa-born explorer as “their way of feeling like a part of the national community,” Kastor said.

The commission will be taking the perspectives of both identity groups into consideration, in addition to consulting art historians about the statue’s artistic significance.

During the discussion, Kastor pushed back against concerns that statue removal is tantamount to historical erasure.

“Think about how much Americans learned over the last year about the Civil War, about Jim Crow, in all of the conversations about removing statues… this is often how Americans learn their history,” Kastor suggested.

Members of the community also weighed in during the conversation.

Thirteen-year-old caller Savannah pointed out that voices of color are critical to the dialogue, referencing an audio clip of solely white park-goers sharing their – predominantly positive – views on the statue.

Another caller asked statue proponents to consider the legitimacy of the account the statue teaches, calling a positive version of Columbus’s narrative “'his'-story, because he got to write the story.”

Though Kastor did not offer an explicit opinion on the question of the statue’s removal, he did praise the park’s deliberative process.

“The decision about what to do with the statue,” he said, “should be a community building exercise; it should be an exercise in civic education.”

Related: Tower Grove Park Columbus statue faces uncertain future

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Alex Heuer joined St. Louis Public Radio in 2012 and is the executive producer of St. Louis on the Air. Alex grew up in the St. Louis area. He began his public radio career as a student reporter at Tri States Public Radio in Macomb, Illinois and worked for a few years at Iowa Public Radio. Alex graduated summa cum laude from Western Illinois University with a degree in history and earned a teaching certificate in 6 - 12th grade social studies. In 2016, he earned a Master of Public Policy Administration with a focus in nonprofit organization management and leadership from the University of Missouri-St. Louis. He has won local and national awards for reporting and producing and his stories have been featured nationally on Morning Edition and All Things Considered.
Xandra Ellin is so psyched to join the St. Louis on the Air team as this fall’s production intern! Xandra graduated from Wesleyan University this spring with a degree in Psychology and American Studies. She found ways to incorporate a passion for radio into her academic pursuits, with an honors thesis that dealt with the psychological and sociocultural phenomena that have historically made localized radio a viable mechanism for social change in American communities. Xandra’s career in public radio began at her college radio station, WESU, where she was the Public Affairs Director by day and a music DJ by night. She has also had two production internships prior to this one: one at WYPR in her home city of Baltimore, MD in 2017 and another at WNPR in Hartford, CT in 2018. When she's not at KWMU, Xandra spends her time going for runs, watching bad reality television, and serving up some quality local artisan brews through her side hustle at the Craft Beer Cellar in Clayton.