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StoryCorps In Kansas City — After ‘Dark Tunnel’ Of Gay Conversion Therapy, Finding Light And Love

Joel Barrett and David Seymour discussed how meeting each other changed their lives.
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Joel Barrett and David Seymour discussed how meeting each other changed their lives.

StoryCorps' MobileBooth is in Kansas City until September to collect the stories and memories of residents. This is one in a series of stories KCUR has chosen to highlight.

Joel Barrett and David Seymour first met because of a scarf.

"I remember your scarf," Barrett said. "It was a very colorful striped scarf, and I used that as my entry point to have a conversation with you."

Barrett and Seymour came from very different backgrounds, particularly when it came to religion.

"Pretty much night and day," Seymour said with a laugh.

Barrett grew up in a conservative Baptist community, got married to a woman and had three kids. He hid his identity as a gay man, because he felt it wouldn't be accepted. 

"The overarching message message was, 'There is nothing good in you,'" Barrett said. "You're emptying yourself of self, and then God can fill you up."

He even ended up enrolling in gay conversion therapy, but it didn't help anything. Barrett ended up asking a counselor for help, but was met with scorn.

"I contacted [a counselor] and just said, 'I need some encouragement from some guys like myself," and he told me he couldn't give me any," Barrett said. "I cam out to myself that day and I think ever since then I've refused to live in fear and shame."

Barrett and Seymour eventually married, years later. And when Barrett thinks about their first meeting now, he admits that the scarf wasn't really what drew them together.

"It was the energy that you bring, to this day, of love, interest and acceptance," Barrett said. "You met me at the end of a long, dark tunnel. Still in the tunnel, but I can see the light. You helped me see the light."

Matthew Long-Middleton is a community producer for KCUR 89.3. Follow him on Twitter @MLMIndustries.

Cody Newill is an audience development specialist for KCUR 89.3. Follow him on Twitter @CodyNewill.

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Cody Newill was born and raised in Independence, Missouri, and attended the University of Missouri-Kansas City. Cody won a Regional Edward R. Murrow award for his work curating kcur.org in 2017. But if you ask him, his true accomplishments lie in Twitter memes and using the term "Devil's lettuce" in a story.
Matthew has been involved in media since 2003. While hosting a show on his college radio station, he quickly realized the influence, intimacy and joys of radio. After graduating from Kenyon College he had a brief stint as a short-order cook in exotic Gambier, Ohio. He then joined Murray Street Productions as the marketing manager. At Murray Street he also conducted interviews, produced podcasts, wrote scripts for Jazz at Lincoln Center Radio, and made the office computers hum. In addition to working at Murray Street, Matthew has done freelance radio production and his work has been featured on Chicago Public Radio’s local news program Eight Forty-Eight. He has also worked as a marketing assistant at WBGO in Newark, NJ, where he helped to grow audience through placing advertisements, managing the station social media, improving the website, building email campaigns and doing in person promotion at jazz events throughout New York and New Jersey. Matthew has won several awards for radio production including a Gold and Silver from the Kansas City Press Club in 2017. You can find Matthew bicycling around the city and the globe.