Dani Emma Devine and Cheryl Barbero are girlfriends in their mid-60s. Dani is a transgender lesbian and Cheryl is pansexual. They spoke about Dani deciding to take action and transition later in life.
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Dani Emma Devine: Basically, I was losing my job. My wife, at the time, was not happy. She sensed that I was different, and I was different. I was changing right before her eyes.
And my therapist suggested perhaps I was transgender, and of course, I just rejected [that] because, well, I love women.
So, how the hell could somebody that loves women want to be a woman?
But it's like, my lifestyle and who I am – I don't want to say gentleness, but I mean, I avoid conflict, and it just fits in that this is who I should have been.
So, I was losing my wife, losing my house, losing my job. At the time, she was going to file for divorce. She hadn't yet – but this pretty well clinched it.
It was Thanksgiving 2020, and what happened was, we had the kids there, and I said, “I'm transgender, and I'm going to be transitioning.”
And my middle son, he said, “I knew you weren't like the other dads,” and he said he had to go elsewhere for a male role model – I felt sort of bad about it, but in a way, it felt good, because it's like, “Yes, he saw me for being me.”

Then after that, I just started taking action on it, and I felt better and better.
Cheryl Barbero: And then Dani told me this story, and I mean, this really made me fall for her a lot more because the way she talked about Barb, her ex-wife – it really touched my heart that she would be so kind and have nothing but nice things to say about, you know, her ex who was divorcing her.
Dani Emma Devine: For a cause, I mean, really.
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Cheryl Barbero: I mean, I met her after she got divorced, but, you know, that just really struck my heart as a real, genuine person.
If she can talk about her ex this way, and they haven't been divorced very long. I've been divorced for, you know, 30 some years, so, you know, it's okay for me and my ex to be to be friendly, but it's not so common when somebody is first divorced.
Dani Emma Devine: It was one of these things that, actually, my youngest son came out as being gay, probably when he was, like, probably 15, something like that.
And I couldn't understand it because, for one thing, I like women, and I just couldn't understand why somebody would be attracted to a man.
And so, I wasn't real supportive, but ultimately, he's actually somebody that – all my children support me in my decision, but it's hard because it's essentially a loss. They lost their father, really.
I'm just glad who I am, I found out who I am, and I'm able to live this, and I'm so grateful that I have done this.